What do you do when your faith is central to your life…but not to someone you love? What are the ways that you may be driving them even further from the conversations you long to have? Spoken word artist, writer, and speaker Hosanna Wong joins Julie Lyles Carr for an insightful episode on learning the language of those we love so that we can have the conversations we long to have with them about God.
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Hosanna Wong: Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube | Hosanna Poetry
Book: How (Not) to Save the World: The Truth About Revealing God’s Love to the People Right Next to You
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Julie Lyles Carr: You’re listening to the AllMomDoes podcast where you’ll find encouragement, information, and inspiration for the life you’re living, the kids you’re raising, the romance you’re loving, and the faith you’re growing. I’m your host, Julie Lyles Carr. Let’s jump into this week’s episode.
Hosanna Wong is in the studio. Hosanna, I haven’t had a chance to meet you before. I’m simply excited that you’re here. I’m really interested to learn more about you and what all you’ve been up to. You have had a real busy last couple of years. So, Hosanna, thanks so much for joining me today.
Hosanna Wong: Thanks for having me. I’m thrilled to be with your community. This is so cool.
Julie Lyles Carr: Now you are showing up on stages and in my social media feed and all kinds of stuff all over the place. I keep seeing Hosanna Wong, Hosanna Wong. I’ve got to meet this girl. So, give us a snapshot of who you are, where you live in the world, all that kind of stuff.
Hosanna Wong: Awesome. Thanks. Well, I’m originally from San Francisco. Um, my background is that my dad was a, you know, my dad was a drug addict who fought in a gang and had a really intense, uh, past, and he found Jesus and Jesus changed his whole life. And he ended up planning an outreach to those living without homes and battling with addiction, just like him on the streets of San Francisco and formed a outreach and church there. And that’s how I grew up. And that’s how I learned church. You know, three days a week, we had services on the streets out there. I learned later when I grew up, when other people said they were also raised in church, we were not talking about the exact same thing.
It was a little, a little bit different, but, um, but one thing we would have had in common, you know, that that is where I learned that Jesus could save anyone soul and redeem anyone’s story. That’s where I first got my passion of, of just telling the story of Jesus. And, um, I, from the streets learned the art of spoken word poetry.
Everyone’s spoke hip hop, rapping, freestyle, and graffiti, but I love this artist spoken word poetry, which wasn’t really a freestyle. It’s more of you write your words and you memorize them and perform them. So I did that in the underground slam poetry scene. Um, I did that in my high school. Um, it was something that I love to.
When I was 18 years old, my daddy got cancer and passed away and I thought, and I can’t preach like him. I can’t do what he does for these people far from God. And I don’t, I certainly don’t have the story he has, but what do I do? What do I have? And I knew how to do these poems. I knew how to do these poems on the streets.
So I learned how to talk about Jesus through these poems, to my friends on the streets and my friends and the art community in San Francisco. And then I went to college to get a writing degree with a minor in theology to try to mix these worlds together. How do I tell stories that reach people where they are on the streets and people’s real language, but that is filled with the truth of the word of God.
How do I do both? How do I mix these worlds together really well? And then 10 years ago, 10 years ago this year, I packed my life into suitcases and started traveling the country full time, in my 1996 red Toyota Corolla, come on somebody, most practical and coolest car. Very dependable. Your great-great grandma’s Corolla still worksy’all. This is, this is resourceful. And, um, I ended up not having a home. I said yes, to what I felt God was calling me to do indefinitely. I think I thought it was going to be about three months, an adventure of three months of telling the story of Jesus through poetry at different churches, prisons, recovery, ministries, schools, conferences, and it ended up being four and a half years without a home address, living in guest rooms with families, cots and living rooms, basements.
Hotel rooms without a home address for four and a half years for the story about Jesus.. And then over time, I just, I kept doing it. I saw how it worked to reach people far from God. To reach people who needed some hope. And I saw how it helped people change their minds, about who they are, who God is. And I figured I’ll just keep doing that.
And then I just kept doing it. I started speaking more, um, which wasn’t too different from spoken word poetry. It was just longer, less rhyming, rhyming, and less screaming, some rhyming and some screaming, but less. And, um, I started speaking then I started, you know, writing books and now we are here 10 years later, and I’m still passionate about what I was passionate about as a little girl on the streets, just Jesus can save anyone’s soul.
Jesus can redeem anyone’s story. And the people, my friends on the streets are not too different from the people in our churches. Maybe people in our churches smell a little better and dress a little better, but we have similar insecurities, similar broken homes, similar questions, and Jesus is the answer to all of our questions.
So I’m just really passionate about people just knowing Jesus for real and really showing kids love in our everyday lives. And that’s kind of me.
Julie Lyles Carr: I love this medium, the spoken word, being something that can be different that can open a door is a little bit different because I have to say as an, in my own, in my own faith, are there have been times that my husband and I were deeply involved in the latest, greatest flavor of doing church in order to try to help attract people who we felt needed church.
And, and I think those efforts are great. It is interesting though, because you’re making somebody come to you in that scenario. And, and again, I think that those things should exist, and I’m a fan of local church. So nobody, nobody get all ruffled, but it is interesting because when we make people come to us, instead of us going to the people, and when we rely on that Kevin Costner field of dreams, if I build it, they will come kind of thing,
we miss some opportunities for growth for ourselves in a sense, and again, a growth for ourselves and how to communicate differently and accept that. Not everybody’s going to speak at the same vernacular that we do. What do you think happens when you are not making them come to you, but you’re going to them and you are speaking in a format that has a cadence and a rhythmthat is familiar with a message that maybe they haven’t heard. What do you see?
Hosanna Wong: Oh man. I mean the power of commonality, it can’t be overemphasized. I would say just as far as all artistic mediums go, that God is able to use everything to show who he is. And it’s cool that we have different styles music and different mediums of communication and different forms of art because everyone understands differently and sees the world differently.
So even when I attended church, some of the songs I may not like, or some of the artistic experience, I may not like, but not everything is for me. There’s something in there that might be for me. There’s something in there that might be for you or somebody else. So I really liked that we have a diversity of expressions and not everything is for me because we are trying to reach a diversity of people.
But as far as what it’s like when someone speaks your language, commonality was so important to God that he sent Jesus to come and be a human with us and speak our language and to mourn like we’ve mourned and to be tempted, like we’ve been tempted. It’s actually one of the ways that God decided it was the best way in order to save the world, that Jesus would have something in common with.
But it wasn’t enough for there just to be a God showing us how to live, but he was fully God and fully human. He had something in common with us to show us how to live and also be human. And so I think, you know, there’s nothing like hearing someone speak in your own language. And what we don’t want to do is speak in spiritual statements that don’t serve people where they really are.
We don’t want to speak above people. We want to be with people where they really are. And that’s, what’s cool. When you when you love dance and you see someone dancing in a way that’s showing you how God interacts with their real lives, you think, oh, God can interact with my real life, too. You see someone do spoken word poetry or hip hop, and you love hip hop, you realize that God can interact with your real life, too, that the details of your life are things God wants to use. And the things that he made good for good, and for the good of others. And so I just think it’s a beautiful thing. It’s actually, you know, it’s really the way I’ve been able to, to connect with people far from God who are also artists.
Who also loves writing, who loves excellent art and poetry. I mean, if you are a Christ follower, but you do your art in an excellent way that’s for your, your, your, your business and an excellent way, that’s how people in business, you know, that opens the door to work with excellent people in business are excellent artists, and it is how I’ve stayed connected with the community that’s far from God.
But I would actually say that I learned the most about learning, how to speak someone’s language. From my little brother. My little brother, Elijah, when I was 18 years old is when my dad passed away and my baby brother, Elijah was 12 and Elijah shut down emotionally. He wouldn’t talk to us about anything.
He wouldn’t talk to us about how he felt about my dad. He definitely didn’t want to talk about God. I know many listeners can relate. If you have someone in your life, you’re kids, your little brother, your little sister, your niece, or your nephew, someone who doesn’t know God, someone who doesn’t know how much God loves them, and you’re trying to figure out how do I connect with this person. When I can’t talk to them about anything except much less God, you know, how do I connect? And I realized that Elijah, wouldn’t talk to me about it anything comic books,. Which I was like, good grief, like these superheroes and these comic books, you know, like I enjoy the average Marvel movie, but when people are like really into comic books, it’s like a whole other, it’s a whole world. Watching like a movie or a show with them as a whole other cinema.
So anyways, and I just realized, man, I was so mad at Elijah for not stepping into my world, seeing the world the way I saw it and not speaking my language. He was not stepping into my world. And so I had to step into his, and I learned comic books with him. I would drive seven hours from college, back into my hometown and go to thrift stores and read vintage comic books with him.
I didn’t understand it, but I tried really hard to, and I started to love it. When Marvel started making all these movies, I would drive into town. We were Marvel shirts, get a big popcorn, watch the premiers on the big screen. And it was about two years of that before we went to a baseball game together.
Well, we were poor, so we weren’t inside the stadium, but outside the stadium with the radio, when I asked him, you know, I had like this trusted relationship with him and I said, how do you feel about God, and he told me I’m mad. And he, and that was a lot of emotion for Elijah. He shared about some regret. He had some hurts.
He had, and I didn’t know the perfect plan of how to speak to Elijah because I had done it so wrong. I had spoken in spiritual statements to him telling him you guys can use your testimony one day, stop being sad. God doesn’t want you to be sad. Have more faith, stop being depressed. I would send him all these sermon clips of me preaching.
Watch this, watch the sermon of me. This will encourage you, but it turns out Elijah didn’t need a preacher. Elijah needed a big sister, and I just sat there with him and we cried together. And I just continued this relationship with Elijah, trying to understand where he was coming from in his language and his lens of the world.
And just to give him a taste of what it was like when someone will be with him and for him. So many people in our lives, people in our family, people in our neighborhood, our coworkers have no idea what it’s like when someone is just with them and for them. Not fighting against them, but fighting for them.
And this is a great opportunity to show God’s love is just to give people a taste of what he’s like. Now, this is what it’s like when someone is with you and for you. And it was nine years after that day, outside the baseball stadium, 11 years after our dad died, when Elijah came over to my husband and I house, And um, told us I’m ready for the joy you have.
I’m ready for the peace you have. I know it’s Jesus, cause you’ve told me a hundred times I get it. I am who I am and God will also use that. You’re an over talker and you’re an oversharer, you know, we want to have wisdom and be with people, but the good news us weirdos, God also uses weirdos. That’s the good news.
And he said, you know, I’m just ready to be more of myself. I’m ready to be more Elijah, will you show me how? And I didn’t have the perfect words. I’m sure any freshmen at any Christian college could tear apart the perfect theological words I did or did not use that day, or how long it took me to lead Elijah to Jesus, but I realized none of that mattered as Elijah made Jesus his number one. And I give you my whole life. I turned away from my sin, my shame. I want to follow Jesus forever. And I just want to encourage anyone who’s thinking I want to reach people, but I don’t know if I see their lens of the world. I don’t know if I know their language. You know, so many times so many of us can be mad at people for not seeing the world the way we see it, mad at them for not being as healed as we want them to be, or as whole as we want them to be.
And we start fighting to be right, but fighting to be right is the perfect plan of how not to show God’s love. Of how not to lead people to Jesus, and how not to save the world. Instead of fighting to be right, we want to fight for our relationships. And that looks like stepping into their worlds and trying to see the world the way they see it.
God was not so mad at us when we were far from Him, uh, he stayed far from us. Instead, he sent Jesus to come be a human and be Emmanuel God with us, with us in the reality of our real lives. But why would the people around us believe us that the God we’re talking about wants to be with them if we don’t even want to be with them.
And many times, if we want to show God’s love to the people right next to us, our greatest witness will be are withness. So how are we coming alongside of people and being with them where they really are? How is your withness with your kids? How is your withness with your little brother, new little sister?
How is your withness with your spouse, with your coworkers, with your neighbors, with your church? How are we being with people where they really are? And so that’s something I kind of learned from Elijah was learning how can I speak your language so you can understand what I’m saying? You know, and the Bible calls us Christ ambassadors.
We learned that, uh, second Corinthians 5:20, that we’re Christ ambassadors. Well, ambassadors are typically bilingual. They know the language of two different nations. They have to know the language, totally the language of the king or queen they’re speaking on behalf of and the nation they’re going to.
And for some of us, we know we have this spiritual speech. We know what the king is saying. We know what God is saying. But we don’t know the language of the people we’re going to, their hurts, their broken hearts, their questions, and God has real answers to people’s real questions. So we want to know what their questions are and how they see the world.
So I’ve really learned that from my experience with leading my baby brother to Jesus after 11 years. I mean, that was, it took, it was a long relationship, a long, a long Trek, but also in art also in spoken word, um, and just speaking in people’s language, not watering down the truth, but speaking in a language, people can understand. I’ve taken that also into my preaching career.
Um, it’s just so important that we meet people where they really are.
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Julie Lyles Carr: I had a pastor at one time, a few years ago who talked about that one of the big issues that we can have in trying to communicate our faith in particular now, There’s a whole product line that supports our language and our world experience. And he talked about it being codified language. It’s a code. And if you’re in, if you’re in the tribe, then you understand it. But if you are not, some of these phrases mean nothing to you.
And even though we can speak them with great passion and great sincerity and great concern for those that we love, if you’re not in, and you’re not using that particular kind of verbiage, there’s no way you’re going to get it. It’s not, sometimes it’s somebody is completely closed off. It’s that, to your point, they just don’t know what you’re saying.
It’s codified and it’s, it’s even simple things. So then it’s like, you know, even some of the phrases that we’ll use, like you know, even things like you saying, God’s going to use this as your testimony. And there are people that, like, what is a testimony? What are we talking about? You know, like it doesn’t, am I gonna have to go to court?
I mean, like, it just doesn’t sink in totally back up and go, well, this is not language that’s used in other areas in my life and my business life and my kids’ school or whatever, you know? Yeah, there is because of insider baseball going on here if I stop and think about it. How do we come to people with a heart that is not, this is to sound strange because I know we’re to go into all the world and to share this gospel with Christ, I gotta be honest sometimes it feels like to me, we are going in trying to recruit we’re going in with an agenda and I think people sniff it on us. And sometimes in our faith communities to try to build momentum or to try to highlight the urgency of being with other people and then trying to tell them the answers that we found in Christ.
We will say, Hey, you know, everybody bring your buddies on this Sunday and the winner will get an iPad or, you know, everybody, I can remember in the VBS, when I was a kid at vacation Bible school, you know, there were prizes for how many people you invited and you’d have to come to vacation Bible school.
How do we ditch that mentality? Because I think it’s well-intended Hosanna, don’t get me wrong, and I’m sure you and I both know there’s somebody out there who’s like, let me tell you when I was a kid, I got invited to vacation Bible school because my friend was trying to win a bike. You know, like I know that those stories, it changed my life forever.
I know those stories, but how do we check our own agenda and motive when we are wanting to engage on your wanting to be more intentional about our withness, what, a beautiful way of saying that, and we don’t lapse into wanting to see an immediate result.
Hosanna Wong: Yeah, I think that’s a really important clarification because as far as methods to bring people into our churches and lead people to Jesus, like you mentioned getting a free bike, which by the way, where is that church that gets a free bike?
I would love to go there and tithe there, take my tithe. Um, I do believe, I do believe all the methods work. You know, that’s, that’s the other thing is I believe that we need all the different kinds of churches and all the different kinds of methods. And, um, and, and I think though, to your point earlier about saying people come to us, most of the time, when I ask a room of people, how many people came to know Jesus, because you came to an event or because you saw a preacher on TV, there’s usually a handful. And if I ask people, how many of you came to church know Christ, because someone, you know, showed you God’s love and the hands filled the room so much more. Personal connection is also the kind of thing that Jesus exemplified. We see Jesus throughout the gospels, living a life of having relationships with people even before they changed their behavior. We see them talk to Zacchaeus, who was a tax collector who took more money than he was supposed to.
He was a snake in a snitch and Jesus said, Hey, Zacchaeus, I’m going to your house and I’m going to have a meal with you. And we see Jesus throughout his life, choosing people before they choose him and having relationships with people. But the religious people of Jesus’s day did not like that. I wonder if some of the religious people in our day, they wouldn’t like it .Either that they were hoping that Jesus would be a tyrannical leader forced religion, but Jesus didn’t come to enforce religion. He didn’t even come to start a religion. He came because he saw all of us were broken and he came to be the solution. And so he did life with people and had relationships with people and had all these friends and then came to set all of his friends free.
And so we see that Jesus had a lifestyle of having real relationships and we might think, well, friendships don’t lead people to Jesus. We got to share the good news and what God has share the gospel and that got to come to church and that’s fair. We will get there, but we have to start here because why would the people in our lives believe us, that the God we’re talking about wants to know them, if we don’t even know them? The truth is that the call that comes from God is not a rigid mandate to convert. It’s an invitation to start and continue authentic relationships. And I think one of the problems that we have, you shared about how you come to church and it’s like go into the world, make disciples, and we feel this call to go and lead people to Jesus which is good. It is a good call, but if we don’t get the order of the call correctly, we will come up with the perfect plan of how not to lead people to Jesus. Here’s a verse that I used to get really wrong, that I think some of my fellow Christ followers together, some of us have gotten wrong. It’s Acts 1:8, it’s so important. It’s the last words that Jesus said before he went back to heaven. He said, here’s the knowledge you need. You will receive power when the holy spirit comes on you and you will be my witnesses first here in Jerusalem, then beyond to Judea and Samaria, and finally to the farthest places on earth.
And I used to always put the emphasis at the end of the verse. Now I have to go to the farthest places on earth. I got to go go, you there for, and that’s good. We hope that the Bible was translated in every language that everyone knows Jesus. And some people are called to physically go to distant places.
And if that’s you, I hope you do that. Do what God’s called you to do. But physically leaving your location in order to show God’s love was not the sole purpose of Jesus’s commission. And it certainly wasn’t the order. In order, Jesus is saying, first you have to be filled. You will be filled with the holy spirit.
And so many of us skip this part and we want to go forth to the people around us before being filled. We want to go forth to every nation before being filled. We want to go forth and post about what we think before we are filled. We want to go forth and tell people how they’re not living the way we want them to live before we are filled. Here is the difference of those of us who are Christ followers, who really love God and really loved people and can actually reveal God’s love in our everyday lives. And those of us who are just making spiritual noise, we are filled with different kinds of powers. You will see us living different publicly because we live different privately because we’re spending our own time alone with God in his word, knowing him and asking him, show me how to see this moment in history from your lens. Show me how to see my loved ones that don’t know you from your point of view. Show me how to love people like you love people. And then that changes how we see people. It changes how we treat people. We see that a life that is filled with the holy spirit we read about in Galatians five.
Then it produces a different kind of fruit and it produces different kinds of actions. When you’re truly filled with God’s power and you have the holy spirit living in you you produce a loving life, demonstrating joy in hard times, peace in chaos, enduring patience, active kindness, virtuous decisions, unwavering faith, compassionate gentleness, and a spirit strengthened by self-control.
Truly, these are things we can only live out when we are filled with the right kind of power. And so that’s, that’s how I feel about the difference between some of us Christ followers that are making Jesus known or just making ourselves known. Those of us who are showing people how important we are versus how loved other people are.
We don’t want to go forth without first being filled. And You will see the difference of who is filled with the power of God.
Julie Lyles Carr: I love, love that pause to really look at the progression of what Jesus laid out. It’s really incredible to take that moment. I know there was an order to this thing that sometimes I’ve been super guilty of blowing, right past.
Hosanna. I think that in my own life, my dad was, he had a really complicated relationship with faith and a lot of ways, he was literally a rocket scientist. And I think when you have that kind of drive and innovation and intellect, there’s this really interesting interplay because you are seeing and you’re experiencing some of the things that God has done that are some of the most majestic to our human hearts in terms of space exploration, the stars and planets, all kinds of things.
And yet it’s also within a culture that sometimes in a work life that doesn’t always know exactly how it feels about grand design or all of those kinds of things. And there is a lot, at least at the time that he was in that industry, there were people who were definitely people of faith. And there were people who felt like that was sort of a superstitious kind of an approach to the sciences and the things that they were doing and making such incredible strides and innovations and human pioneering.
He ultimately came back to a deep faith in God. He’d been raised in a Christian home. He definitely was supportive of my mother taking my brothers and I to church all the time. He was supportive and what was interesting was in the conversations in the last decade, decade and a half of his life, my brothers and I were engaging him a lot when it came to where he was in his faith.
And we didn’t always do it well. My mother really struggled because she and her faith walk really felt like she had the system. And this was the system that he was supposed to follow. And he would go rogue on us, Hosanna. He just, you know, he wouldn’t always just line up with the way that she thought it was supposed to go.
When he did come back to God, it was through a series of really fascinating events. And it was through math and I talked about this before, when I’ve been speaking and I’ve done some writing on it. It was through astrophysics and math and language codes and all kinds of things, he ended up coming back around and saying, okay, this has gotta be, there’s got to be a God and to the deep dive into scripture. Now here’s where it gets interesting. This was the thing we had prayed for, but he still didn’t do it the way that aligned with how a lot of our churches might say, well, then this, these are the things that somebody should do in this way. This is what you should be involved with.
Now you should be volunteering for this and you should be on the committee for that. And on and on. He never did come into that place. And it was tough for my mom at times, because it was so outside of how she had organized her. So how we leave breathing room for the people that were in relationship and walk, we walk alongside with. The Elijah in our life that we’ve invested in come into their world and still only room for God to do what he’s going to do with them that may not always look like how we’re living our faith lives.
Hosanna Wong: I mean, it’s a great question. I have discovered two things. One is that I’m constantly praying for those people in my life. And I can’t overemphasize the power of prayer. I think for a long time in my life, I dismiss the power of prayer because it was just such a simple, obvious, spiritual thing that I saw crocheted on pillows.
And I think not the enemy loves using, I think the enemy loves making the most powerful weapons in our lives cliche so that we don’t access the true power of them. And I think continuously praying for those people in our lives starts to give us God’s heart for them and makes us more aware of the right moments to speak up.
It makes us more aware of what they’re going through, have the right moments to just sit with them and maybe not speak up at all. It makes us more aware when you’re talking to God and asking for his heart for those people, he starts to give you his lens and we don’t want to believe the enemy’s lie that we should not keep praying. That we should stop praying that we should, that, that our prayers don’t matter. It’s a lie from the enemy. So I find that stories like your dad’s and my brothers are common and we don’t have the perfect words to say in a way that we can make sure we have God’s heart and God’s agenda and not our own agenda is to be praying to God specifically about those people so our heart softens towards them. But the other thing I want to say that I’ve learned is that it is not on me to save the world and not on me to save my loved ones and I can live in the freedom and the grace of I’m not going to do this perfectly. But if I overspeak, which I have over spoken, if I overshare, which I have, and if I’m aggressive ever that there is grace for that.
Hopefully my loved ones will forgive me for that, that I can fumble through this. And even my fumbling shows my loved one that I’m human and I love them, and I’m trying my best that God wants to use actually, who you are, not some copy and paste version of some evangelistic speaker who wants to use you.
And so even in your fumbling, it shows how human you are, and there is grace for that. If you say the wrong thing, there’s grace for that. If you overshare or, or don’t have the perfect answer, there’s grace for that. I think people almost appreciate knowing that you could be a Jesus person. I don’t have all the right answers.
And I’ve certainly shown my friends far from God that I don’t have all the right answers. And they’ve had to give me grace when I haven’t said things in the most kind way. And I just, you know, the great news is that Jesus is the one who saves lives. Who heals marriages, who reconciles relationships, who makes the impossible possible.
We can rely on his power and not our own, but that is not just permission to do and say nothing and to live in fear of possibly doing the wrong thing. No, it’s actually freedom. It’s freedom to talk about Jesus, to naturally share about him in your everyday life to show his love. To speak up when you think God’s calling you to speak up. To be silent, when you think God’s calling you to be silent, and sit with someone where they are. It is actually the freedom of doing what you think God is calling you to do without fear of the end result.
And I would more, I want to emphasize that to anyone who’s listening, who’s in a situation like your mom was with, with your dad. And like I’ve been with Elijah, of that to be with them where they really are to check our withness. Are we doing all we can to see the lens through, to see their lens.
And also, are we praying for them? Praying for God’s, not just praying for them out of anger or frustration, but really sitting in God’s presence, thinking, okay, how does God see this person? And how would God have me love them? It just makes your heart and your actions towards them different when you’re filled with God’s power and not your own.
And to give yourself some grace and freedom, because you actually are God’s plan A to show the world how loved they are. So you’re doing okay. And if you fumble through it, it is not like Siri cannot possibly reroute you from the wrong step that you made, but that God has so much grace and even are fumbling, he wants to use you.
Julie Lyles Carr: Just beautiful. Hosanna Wong, You’ve got a guide to help people in this journey of communicating their love for the people that they love and infusing that with Jesus, it’s called How (Not) to Save the World: The Truth About Revealing God’s Love to the People Right Next to You, and we’ll get that in the show notes. Rebecca puts those together each and every week so listeners be sure you’re checking out the show notes. Where can people go to watch you do this spoken word thing that you have going on? Where can they connect with you on social?
Hosanna Wong: Well, the cool thing about my book, How (Not) to Save the World: The Truth About Revealing God’s Love to the People Right Next to You, is that the audio book, if anyone listening is an audio book lover, I have two interludes in the book, which is me performing spoken word poetry. One is overcoming fear. Yeah. One’s on overcoming fear and doubt and one’s about knowing who you are and finding your identity in Christ.
So if you go to the audible, go to Amazon, get How (Not) to Save the World. We talk about how to be better at your withness with your loved ones at work with people far from God, but the audio book, you can hear me perform these two spoken word pieces, as you listen. So that’s the best way is get the audio book.
Um, but if you would rather read the spoken word poetry, get the physical book. Otherwise hosannawong.com is another place where you can watch videos of me doing it live and follow me on Instagram at hosanna.wong, and we do sermon clips and spoken word clips and talk about how we can reveal god’s love to people right next to us.
Julie Lyles Carr: Awesome Hosanna. It is so great to get to meet you. And I just love your wisdom. I really think you’re going to help a lot of people who have someone they love and they just don’t know how to approach them when it comes to these faith challenges and issues and trying to draw someone, but also try not to push them away. Thank you so much.
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