The classic books you may have discovered and loved during school or maybe just last week have a lot to contribute to our understanding of our lives today and our faith. Why should we care about the classics? How do we shape reading for our children? Rachel Dodge join Julie Lyles Carr on ep. 176 of the allmomdoes podcast.
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Julie Lyles Carr: [00:00:12] Hi, I’m Julie Lyles Carr. You’re listening to the allmomdoes podcast, part of the Christian parenting podcast network. Today on the allmomdoes podcast. I have Rachel Dodge on with me. She is on a mission to help bring back some of the classics that we know and love and do it in a fresh way. Rachel, thanks so much for being on today.
Rachel Dodge: [00:00:29] Thank you for having me. I’m so glad to be here.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:00:32] So tell my listeners where you are, where you live, all the, you know, cats, dogs. What have you tell us about your life?
Rachel Dodge: [00:00:39] Okay. Yeah. I’m in Northern California, near Sacramento, and I have a husband of 18 years. We’re actually celebrating 18 today.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:00:48] Congratulations.
That’s amazing.
Rachel Dodge: [00:00:51] I know, we feel kind of like we’re grownups now. Right. You know, 18 years…
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:00:54] it starts to, yeah. It starts to sink in a little.
Rachel Dodge: [00:00:57] Yeah. And we have two kids. I have a junior higher and a third grader and we have a dog named D-O-G.. He’s a fluffy little white dog that sits by me most days while I write and read and do all the things that I do.
And, uh, we are really happy in Northern California, enjoying the spring weather.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:01:15] That’s amazing. Now, were you a reader as a kid? Was that something that you’d always enjoyed or was that a love that you discovered later in life?
Rachel Dodge: [00:01:24] I can’t remember a time. I didn’t. Love reading. I just grew up in a house full of books.
And I think, you know, my parents were both huge readers and writers and it’s just was part of our culture in our house. We didn’t watch much TV. We were, that family was like out in the country and kind of living in old fashioned life. So I loved the classic since I was really young. And all of the, even the movies and the books, you know, anytime I could find a book that had been made into a movie, I was on board with that and just grew up going to the library every two weeks and taking as big a stack as they would let me take.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:01:58] Right. Right. How do you think we can get. Our kids into reading more of the classics. Now I have, I have a couple of mine who love the classics, pride and prejudice, you know, anything by the Bronte sisters, all those kinds of things. They absolutely love those, those classics and those films associated with that.
But it’s interesting to me, Rachel, because there are a lot of people who they feel like maybe those books, the level is above where they want to read, or they just don’t feel like they can get into it. So how do we try to navigate and get those classics more back into the vernacular with a younger generation?
Rachel Dodge: [00:02:32] I think two ways really helped with my kids at least. Um, and I’ve seen this with, I teach college English as well, so I’m always trying to get my college students into more reading. And, you know, youth group kids at church are always asking for me for book recommendations. And I really think reading the first few chapters out loud to someone really helps because they just get into the book, you know, and they start to see what it’s about.
And, you know, if you introduce it to them rather than just hand them a book, that’s this big dense thing. It looks a little bit overwhelming. Um, and then I really do think, you know, sometimes watching a movie, you know, I’ve had friends who their daughters saw pride and prejudice the movie first, and then instantly wanted to read the book and started getting into Jane Austin.
And so I think, I think it’s fine to go either direction. Some people say, Oh, you have to read the book first, but I say, whatever helps people get into, you know, those classic books is a great way to do it.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:03:25] However you got to intro it and then that’s just fine. That’s a great way to do it. So you mentioned your college students that you teach.
One of my degrees is in literature. So tell me about your teaching career and what lane that looks like.
Rachel Dodge: [00:03:39] Yeah. So since I became a mom 13 years ago, it’s been mostly a part time type of a thing that I do. So I teach usually one or two classes a semester and I teach college writing. And then I also have been able to start teaching some classes for a program at my college
that is for the 55 plus. Community members that will just come to the school for, you know, continuing education and fun classes. And so I’ve been able to put together some literary programs for that. And that’s one of my highlights. The last few years I’ve done Lucy Montgomery class. I’ve done a Jane Austin class and it’s so much fun because
those students really, really want to be there. And they also are really excited about the classics.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:04:19] Right. Right. What draws you to the classics now? I know for some of us that seems maybe like an easy answer. Well, you know, it’s, it’s the dresses, it’s the costumes, but, but, you know, I think. For those of us who love to read, we have different genres
we all adore. And for some of us that’s mysteries and for some of us that’s Christian romance. And for some of us, that’s, non-fiction, you know, there’s all these different categories of things that you can be drawn to. What for you was it about the classics beyond just the fact that this was what was immediately available in your library when you were growing up that has made you reside there and teach there and write on the classics?
Rachel Dodge: [00:04:57] I really think it’s something about the time period and just old fashioned manners, old fashioned ways, old fashioned morals, something about that. I mean, I, growing up and even today, there’s times where I just love, you know, a hundred years ago just sounds so wonderful to me now. I know that that’s probably not true, but in my world of literature, I just love to step back in time, I guess, as I’m reading.
So I love that feeling even today, you know, there’s, there’s I do read, you know, more contemporary books as well, but so often they’re either historical fiction or biographies or the classics. I just keep going back to those old favorites because there’s just something so special about that world. To me, just kind of that old fashioned way of life, I guess.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:05:44] You know, it’s interesting to me is when I look back at some of the classics in the lanes, we’re talking about like Jane Eyre and the Bronte sisters and others, I don’t know that we always realize as a modern culture, just how contemporary those writers were. These were women who the road to publishing was really difficult.
It was not as straightforward. Many women authors were not were not recognized at all. Some of these books were published under different names. Some of these works we didn’t see come out until maybe after the passing of the author herself. So what is some of the interesting trends and things that we can look back and take a snapshot on that
some of these female authors were having to fight at the time that they were writing books that we now see as a little bit, you know, kind of old-fashioned or, or nostalgic, but really in their time, they were pretty strong statements about women coming forward and saying, I have something to contribute creatively.
Rachel Dodge: [00:06:40] Yeah. I mean, I think of, you know, the Bronte sisters started out by, you know, publishing under male names, Jane Austin, she just published it her first few novels under a lady, she didn’t have her name or any name. Um, both of those, I think it’s neat that later they were known in their time for what they were writing.
And I think that’s great. Um, Lucy Montgomery, who wrote all the Anna Green Gables, um, books, you know, she had very few, I would say, um, peers in her world of literature. She, she didn’t have any other women who were writing at the level or at the capacity that she was. And most of her pen pals were actually other male writers.
So, I mean, today it’s so different. We have this world of so many women are writing and producing all sorts of wonderful things. But I think back then it had to have been a little bit of a lonely life. So I think they were so brave to do the thing that was in them to do. They felt like it’s going to come out of me.
I’ve got to just let it come out and fight my way to get these things published and to find a voice in a time when, you know, yeah women weren’t writing a ton. It wasn’t, um, wasn’t just, it just wasn’t every day for a woman to write and publish a book.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:07:51] I think it, part of what makes it sentimental for me is at the time in which they were writing.
I would have to think there was a sense of, okay, I don’t know if anybody’s really ever going to see this. I’m certainly not thinking I’m ever going to be famous for it. I just have a story to tell that I’m going to put out there and to know that these stories have continued to carry forward and the influence that they have
even still today on a lot of our storytelling on a lot of the, the remix sometimes we’ll do of the classic tale or taking it all the way back to something that really does honor exactly the time period in which these works were written. That just, it makes me a little sentimental for them. I think how powerful. You know, the writing environment, not only was it one in which not many women were recognized at the time doing these things, I got to tell you, Rachel, you’re an author, I’m an author.
It takes all I got some days to get to that keyboard and I’ve got my thesaurus.com and I’ve got my writing playlist and I’ve got my essential oils in my candle. And I’ve got, yeah, I mean, I have all of these crutches to help me get in the mood and then actually commit to getting some words down. And it’s still really hard work, even though I’m a fast typer and all the things I have a feeling it’s probably similar for you.
When I look back at the environments in which a lot of these women were writing, which was trying to procure materials, which were expensive. And I mean, just all of the roadblocks along the way to writing back then, what stands out to you about the things that they had to overcome beyond just some of the sexism that was inherent in the system at the time, but also just the practical aspects of writing by long hand
entire novels.
Rachel Dodge: [00:09:29] Yeah. I mean, yeah. Writing, writing them out. Yeah. I think the materials, I mean, obviously any kind of access to education, all of this was a big consideration and it wasn’t necessarily easy at all. And I mean, obviously someone who, you know, had some access to education, I think of like Jane Austin, the Bronte sisters, They had fathers who were committed to making sure their daughters were well-educated, but that wasn’t the case for everyone.
Um, and then even finding the time, I think, you know, even as women, now, we have so much on our plate, but I may think, you know, 50, a hundred years ago there was probably a hundred things that they needed to do or were expected to do. Um, Jane Austin, I always loved that she wrote on. Um, paper and then had other papers to kind of cover it up
if anyone came in, she didn’t want to broadcast that she’s writing. She was kind of a private thing for her to do, and I feel that way too. I want to be able to get away. And I think that’s probably the hardest thing, you know, a hundred years ago or today just to find the space and time to write is, is difficult.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:10:33] Yeah, it is. And I think that when I think about what they overcame, sometimes it helps me get off my own writer’s block heinie and get busy because it just even the technical aspect of it was a lot more challenging. You come from a background in which books were very much embraced. You’ve written that your grandmother was a children’s book author, that your parents were both reading specialists and education specialist in reading.
What was that like being raised in a situation in which books were held as precious. And I, and I asked this from the perspective, my mom was a huge reader. I mean, we had books everywhere. She ordered all of the reader’s digest. You’re the condenced version of different books. They have those really iconic looking covers.
We always had that. We had national geographics. I grew up in a home in which reading was very, very much embraced and it wasn’t until later in my life, when I went off to college and early adulthood that I realized that not everybody is raised in a reading household and I can see the benefits now of being raised in a situation like that.
But, you know, I’m sure we have listeners who are like, that is not the kind of environment I came from. For you, when did you begin to realize that not everyone had been raised in an environment immersed in books and what are some of the points of gratitude you have for it now that you can look back and realize the gift that was.
Rachel Dodge: [00:11:51] Yeah, I would say probably even as a young girl, you know, just going on play dates to friend’s houses and things, I was. I would notice that their shelves weren’t all full of books. Whereas I grew up with, you know, books were kind of the main decor in our house, whereas I go to other houses and they’d maybe have one bookshelf or something like that.
So I am really grateful for that. I’m grateful that instead of, you know, letting us watch TV or whatever, my mom always pointed us to either play outside or grab a book. And they were all around the house. And we also, like I said, my mom was great about, um, taking us to go to the library all the time, that was, she loves to read.
And I know that’s partly why, but also she just made sure we had access to more books that, you know, maybe she didn’t have on the shelves necessarily at the age or the level we were at. And I’m really thankful that for that, I try to do the same for my kids. And I will say just creating an environment of reading and
loving reading is a great place to start no matter what age you are. Just find things you love to read, find stuff that’s interesting to your kids. It doesn’t matter if it’s the classics or what it is. Just make reading a little bit more, a part of your just home culture and just one of the things you enjoy doing.
And I think. That’s a great place to start.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:13:02] Right. The example of us reading and reading, things that we enjoy really does speak to our kids. It’s, it’s pretty fascinating. And I think for those out there who are saying, well, I want my kids to be reading more than read more yourself. That’s really a powerful thing to do.
I get a lot of questions as at times as an author about what I think one of the most important parts of writing and writing well and being part of the craft is, and I always say without hesitation, you gotta be a reader like this, you know, it’s really important to fall in love with books and to read widely because it informs so much about then how you write and your ability. I think for not just the creativity, but to troubleshoot and to think through and notice things about conversation and situations.
What are the things that you think that we gather when our kids turn into stronger readers? When we make more of a dedicated effort toward reading, what are some of the benefits that we begin to experience over time?
Rachel Dodge: [00:13:55] I mean, I can say with my kids, you know, we read out loud a lot and my mom always read out loud a lot.
So I think for people listening, if you’re kind of wanting to stir up that, you know, literary itch with your kids, or even for yourself, I mean, audio books is a huge thing right now, so that’s great. And then, but just reading out loud, you just. You, you start to bond over the stories you have that shared experience, those shared memories, memories, you know, your language, your vocabulary, all of that just naturally expands.
And your understanding of the world, which I think is one of the best things I’ve seen that the fruit of that with my own kids is hearing them say, Oh, I know what that is. I remember that from such and such a book, you know, something old-fashioned or maybe something just interesting that they knew about a term that, you know, they were aware of that,
I think, how did you learn about that? Oh, we read it in such and such a book or this series and, you know, little sayings you have. I mean, think about that. The ways we bond over a movie or TV show together, I think it’s the same with books. And so. It’s creating that environment where you’re enjoying those stories together.
I think it’s such a neat way to bond as a family and friends, couples, whoever, you know, you can always, you know, talk about a book together. I think it’s so fun.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:15:08] Right. To have that story in common, we had on the podcast a while back and we’ll have to get this episode link up for you. Our listeners in the show notes, we had Sarah McKinsey on she’s the author of the read aloud family
and then also the real. I read aloud revival movement, if you will. That has been really powerful. And, and I love a lot of her insights in that lane. There ones I’ve experienced as well, because we’ve done a lot of reading aloud to our kids. And there are really beautiful things that happen when we’re not only visually reading, but hearing it as well.
And sometimes people don’t think that’s quite as valid a system, but you know, man, if you’ve got a kid who’s struggling to read, let them listen. The, the benefits are really, really there. And it’s a really exciting thing to see. Now I got to tell you, Rachel years ago, my sister-in-law started a little tradition with one of my daughters.
She really wanted her to have all the books and the full set and the film series of Anne of Green Gables. This is my sister-in-law’s jam. She loves Anne Green Gables. I want to hear how you fell in love with that series. And then at what point that you thought, you know, this actually would be a really interesting devotional to write, because I don’t know that everybody would make
that connection that, you know, this piece of fiction, the love a beloved piece of fiction, but that this piece of fiction would correlate to something like a devotional. So how did that all come together for you first, the discovery of the series, what you loved about it, and then connecting it to something that could be used in a spiritual discipline.
Rachel Dodge: [00:16:35] Well, I will say I fell in love with Anne Green Gables as a young girl. I remember my parents actually. I really think we watched the movies first. The, you know, the 1985 Meagan follows, you know, that, that series that was on PBS. And I remember my parents telling me, we have a movie that you are going to love.
You are never going to be the same kind a thing. And they taped it with the pledge breaks and all of that, I remember loving it fell in love. And I remember, you know, I would, I’ve always, when I was growing up, played out whatever book I was reading or whatever movie. So I would go outside and dress up like Anne and all of that as it as a little girl.
And then when I was old enough to read the books, I just fell in love with her character, you know, with Anne’s character and the family. And. You know, that whole series was just, just so amazing to me. I think I really, really was able to relate to Anne in a lot of ways. Her personality she’s so creative and imaginative and talkative.
Sometimes it gets herself into trouble talking too much and reading in class and doing all the things that, and she’s also a very, um, really hard working driven kind of a girl. So it really, she was someone I related to a lot, um, growing up and, you know, she loved to read, she loved to study, but she was also imaginative and silly and talkative and very emotional and loving and all of that.
So I really related to her. So as an adult, I’ve gone back to those books. Just, I think of them as comfort books, you know, there’s some books you just go back to when you’re either going through a hard time or you just need something really cozy to curl up with. And so the Anne books have been that for me as an adult too, that I’ll go back to those every so often and just reread them again.
And it was a couple of years ago that I, you know, as a, as an older, um, you know, as I, as I got to know the Lord more maybe college and after that’s, when I, when rereading them, I started to really notice there were so many themes in it that related to faith. And I don’t know if I just didn’t notice those as much growing up.
And so a few years ago I was thinking about, you know, if I could write a devotional about anything, I would love to write on a classic book with those kinds of themes, where we can say, look at the theme in this book, but then look how it can relate to our lives and our faith. And so Anne of Green Gables is,
was the book I just thought if I could write about any book it would be. And I mean, I love, I love what grabbed me the most and propelled me through writing that book is the picture of adoption and belonging and the parallel between her adoption and how Matthew and Marilla just take this little orphan girl who’s longing for a family and for love, and they bring her into their home and their family and love her so well.
And I. I think that is such a really, it’s a really sweet, you know, it’s very gentle, but it’s a very sweet allegory that I was able to draw between that and how the Lord loves us and has adopted us in Christ and that we get to belong. And I think that’s something we all really long for and something that is kind of deep inside us.
We want to feel like we belong, that we’re loved, that we’re cared for. And you know, the verse I always come back to the Lord says that he will never leave us. I will never leave you or forsake you in Hebrews 13, five. And that was kind of a core verse for me writing the story that Anne gets to find out what that actually looks like
from a human standpoint when someone will actually love you and stand by you for your whole life.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:20:08] Right, right, right. Do you, have you found, and maybe to your surprise that these themes that really speak to the heart of humans and the things we long for, do you see that those show up in a lot of these classics that we hold
so dear, because you’ve also written praying with Jane, you have a little, and that’s one that, which you’re praying with Jane Austin, and then you also have an upcoming project on little women. What are some of the themes that you have found there that correlate both to faith and to deep human need.
Rachel Dodge: [00:20:36] Yeah, I think that’s partly why we come back to those books over and over.
And then of course, why they, you, you can make those spiritual connections is that there’s so many really relatable themes, no matter when they were written. You know, family longing loss, heartache, suffering, grief. I mean, all of those, these books go through not always just happy, happy little books. They don’t always end nicely, of course, but you know, in each of, uh, you know, Austin’s books and L.M. Montgomery books and the Anne books and, and little women.
There’s a lot of different themes that are, that are very relatable to everyday life, that the things that they go through as either a character or as families that we can really relate to and we can draw from, and each of those authors, you know, they had they did have some spiritual themes that are obvious, and then they had some that aren’t as obvious.
And I love to dig through and pull all those out for these devotionals.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:21:35] Right. You know, I think it’s one thing that surprised me, that books that I loved as a child, including little women, little house on the Prairie series and more of the ones that we’ve been mentioning, reading those through my
perspective as a kid. It’s very different now when I’ve gone back and read those and adulthood, I remember them primarily as happy little stories. And when I went back and read as an adult or re re-engage those books, as I was introducing my children to them, I got a bit of a shock. I mean, they really do deal with some heavier topics than I had remembered.
And I thought isn’t that interesting that we can read a book in a certain stage of life and it, it connects with us in this way. And then we can read it again at a later stage of life and it emerges in a new way in the process of writing these devotionals and books that you have on the classics have there been moments for you that have been sort of a, Whoa, I didn’t remember that was in here.
I don’t remember responding to that the same way.
Rachel Dodge: [00:22:33] Definitely. I mean, in each one, there have been moments that I just thought, wow, my eyes are open. There are things that I wouldn’t have ever noticed in the quite that way if I wasn’t maybe digging for them or looking at it in that way, um, in the Anne
devotional one of, some of the most sweet moments for me of course, were more obvious all of the moments with Matthew and that father, daughter relationship and relating to that, to how we relate to God. But. You know, some of the other themes where she has to learn to forgive Gilbert Blythe; I mean, she doesn’t speak to him or give him the time of day for five years as the book goes on.
And one of the great things that I learned writing that chapter, that the Lord was showing me and just bringing out is how much she missed out on for five years by holding onto that bitterness and that, you know, that anger toward him and, you know. Reading the book as a young kid, I just thought it was kind of funny and silly and all of that, where now you can see, wow.
You know, and we hold on to things and we don’t let go and actually let ourselves forgive we miss out on a lot. We kind of hold ourselves back from something that could be great because they end up becoming really good friends before, you know, in the series before they ever become, you know, a love interest later on.
And it, it was a good personal application for me to just think, yeah. What are you missing out on if you kind of close yourself off to someone because of unforgiveness,
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:23:59] Right… Right. How do you handle, you know, I’m, I’m a white woman. I’m not a woman of color. I know that some of these classics that we have loved in the past, I’m having to look at it with fresh eyes.
And there are things that I look at now and go, Oh, wow. That is really, I know it’s emblematic of it’s time and it’s not, um, And it’s not really working well into the today. How do we handle that in some of the classics when we have this contrast of our culture, now that hopefully is having its eyes open to systemic racism, to issues with sexism.
And yet still allow them to retain a level of value and, and cultural truth for the time in which it was written. How do you navigate that, both in your own writing about these works and your instruction to college students about these works and introducing these books to your kids. How do you handle all of that?
Because is complicated.
Rachel Dodge: [00:24:55] It is complicated. I think. First of all to always just to discuss things, those moments when they come up, not to shy away from those things and talk about what was happening historically at the time, um, what was happening in that society, even in, you know, some of these, like we’ve talked about some of these writers that were able to write.
I mean, they were just in a position where they had some free time or they had the resources or the education. Then I think that’s a big part of this whole discussion is the access that, you know, these different authors may have had. And. Or that people at that time didn’t have. And so I think for me, it’s usually discussing those things and like for my kids really talking about why that was, you know, because with kids, a lot of times they don’t get it and we kind of have to explain that they go, why was it like that?
You know? And I think it’s good to talk about that. And then you know, as I’m writing, sometimes in the books themselves, my devotional books, it doesn’t always come up, but I found that it’s nice, you know, when I’m writing some articles for my blog or anything like that, that I can talk about some of those things separately.
And I think it brings up good, good conversation, just so that we’re kind of aware of a greater context for these books and when they were being written.
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:26:12] Right. I love that you bring up the fact that yes, even though there were technical challenges in terms of getting these books written, then you were having to do things by longhand and you might not have immediate resources like we do now to research or Google something.
We still are talking about a class of people who did at least have access to materials, who had a level of education. And even though women in that particular situation in that time were far more rare in terms of their ability to have access to those things. The fact that they did allow them to have a voice that speaks now, how do we move forward?
When it comes to introducing books, to our kids, both of the classics and the things we need to be looking to now, And to ourselves to make sure that we are having a very well-rounded approach in the books that we select in being really intentional about incorporating other voices and other experiences.
How do you go about that?
Rachel Dodge: [00:27:03] I would say, I mean, in my classes that I teach, definitely, it’s just really making sure that I am touching on a lot of different voices and a lot of different authors. And you know, some of it’s finding, I love, you know, even looking back on historic documents or journals that were written or cookbooks or anything like that, that can kind of give us a clue of what maybe women weren’t
writing fiction, or maybe they weren’t writing, you know, some treatise on something, but perhaps they were writing other things. And that always has been really interesting to me. I have journals from my grandmother and my great-grandmother of just little, you know, they didn’t write much, but just those little, little bits that they can give us of what life looked like and what farm life and all of that was, you know, hardworking and all the things they did all day that would kept them from
journaling. Cause my grandmother’s journal goes from about the month, a few months before she got married until her first, second son was born and then it she’s out helping farm and do all that. I mean, it just didn’t happen anymore. Um, so that’s, that’s a big part of it, you know, just making sure that we’re including those voices
and um, but I think too with, in my college classes, One of my favorite things that I do is I invite them all to bring something to class that they enjoy and they share it with the class and that way I’m giving my students a voice to what are they interested in? What, what authors did they want to hear from. What voices do they want to hear?
So I always make sure that one part of our class, they get to bring in something and recommend it to the class and share about it with us and help us all, you know, Yeah. You know, widen our horizons,
Julie Lyles Carr: [00:28:39] Right. Absolutely. Well, you’ve got the Anne of Green Gables devotional. You have praying with Jane, you’ve got this little women project coming up.
Rachel is just so great to talk with you. Talk books and reading and all the things, and I’m looking forward to the next idea you come up with the next classic that you bring forward into today and connect in a unique way. Thanks so much for being with me.
Rachel Dodge: [00:28:59] Thanks for having me.
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